This is primarily to subsume the functionality of the
copy-from-other-stores substituter. For example, in the NixOS
installer, we can now do (assuming we're in the target chroot, and the
Nix store of the installation CD is bind-mounted on /tmp/nix):
$ nix-build ... --option substituters 'local?state=/tmp/nix/var&real=/tmp/nix/store'
However, unlike copy-from-other-stores, this also allows write access
to such a store. One application might be fetching substitutes for
/nix/store in a situation where the user doesn't have sufficient
privileges to create /nix, e.g.:
$ NIX_REMOTE="local?state=/home/alice/nix/var&real=/home/alice/nix/store" nix-build ...
E.g.
$ nix-build -I nixpkgs=git://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs '<nixpkgs>' -A hello
This is not extremely useful yet because you can't specify a
branch/revision.
The function builtins.fetchgit fetches Git repositories at evaluation
time, similar to builtins.fetchTarball. (Perhaps the name should be
changed, being confusing with respect to Nixpkgs's fetchgit function,
with works at build time.)
Example:
(import (builtins.fetchgit git://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs) {}).hello
or
(import (builtins.fetchgit {
url = git://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs-channels;
rev = "nixos-16.03";
}) {}).hello
Note that the result does not contain a .git directory.
If --no-build-output is given (which will become the default for the
"nix" command at least), show the last 10 lines of the build output if
the build fails.
This replaces nix-push. For example,
$ nix copy --to file:///tmp/cache -r $(type -p firefox)
copies the closure of firefox to the specified binary cache. And
$ nix copy --from file:///tmp/cache --to s3://my-cache /nix/store/abcd...
copies between two binary caches.
It will also replace nix-copy-closure, once we have an SSHStore class,
e.g.
$ nix copy --from ssh://alice@machine /nix/store/abcd...
This allows commands like "nix verify --all" or "nix path-info --all"
to work on S3 caches.
Unfortunately, this requires some ugly hackery: when querying the
contents of the bucket, we don't want to have to read every .narinfo
file. But the S3 bucket keys only include the hash part of each store
path, not the name part. So as a special exception
queryAllValidPaths() can now return store paths *without* the name
part, and queryPathInfo() accepts such store paths (returning a
ValidPathInfo object containing the full name).
Caching path info is generally useful. For instance, it speeds up "nix
path-info -rS /run/current-system" (i.e. showing the closure sizes of
all paths in the closure of the current system) from 5.6s to 0.15s.
This also eliminates some APIs like Store::queryDeriver() and
Store::queryReferences().
"verify-store" is now simply an "--all" flag to "nix verify". This
flag can be used for any other store path command as well (e.g. "nix
path-info", "nix copy-sigs", ...).
For convenience, you can now say
$ nix-env -f channel:nixos-16.03 -iA hello
instead of
$ nix-env -f https://nixos.org/channels/nixos-16.03/nixexprs.tar.xz -iA hello
Similarly,
$ nix-shell -I channel:nixpkgs-unstable -p hello
$ nix-build channel:nixos-15.09 -A hello
Abstracting over the NixOS/Nixpkgs channels location also allows us to
use a more efficient transport (e.g. Git) in the future.
Thus, -I / $NIX_PATH entries are now downloaded only when they are
needed for evaluation. An error to download an entry is a non-fatal
warning (just like non-existant paths).
This does change the semantics of builtins.nixPath, which now returns
the original, rather than resulting path. E.g., before we had
[ { path = "/nix/store/hgm3yxf1lrrwa3z14zpqaj5p9vs0qklk-nixexprs.tar.xz"; prefix = "nixpkgs"; } ... ]
but now
[ { path = "https://nixos.org/channels/nixos-16.03/nixexprs.tar.xz"; prefix = "nixpkgs"; } ... ]
Fixes#792.
This specifies the number of distinct signatures required to consider
each path "trusted".
Also renamed ‘--no-sigs’ to ‘--no-trust’ for the flag that disables
verifying whether a path is trusted (since a path can also be trusted
if it has no signatures, but was built locally).
These are content-addressed paths or outputs of locally performed
builds. They are trusted even if they don't have signatures, so "nix
verify-paths" won't complain about them.
Typical usage is to check local paths using the signatures from a
binary cache:
$ nix verify-paths -r /run/current-system -s https://cache.nixos.org
path ‘/nix/store/c1k4zqfb74wba5sn4yflb044gvap0x6k-nixos-system-mandark-16.03.git.fc2d7a5M’ is untrusted
...
checked 844 paths, 119 untrusted
The flag remembering whether an Interrupted exception was thrown is
now thread-local. Thus, all threads will (eventually) throw
Interrupted. Previously, one thread would throw Interrupted, and then
the other threads wouldn't see that they were supposed to quit.
Unlike "nix-store --verify-path", this command verifies signatures in
addition to store path contents, is multi-threaded (especially useful
when verifying binary caches), and has a progress indicator.
Example use:
$ nix verify-paths --store https://cache.nixos.org -r $(type -p thunderbird)
...
[17/132 checked] checking ‘/nix/store/rawakphadqrqxr6zri2rmnxh03gqkrl3-autogen-5.18.6’
Doing a chdir() is a bad idea in multi-threaded programs, leading to
failures such as
error: cannot connect to daemon at ‘/nix/var/nix/daemon-socket/socket’: No such file or directory
Since Linux doesn't have a connectat() syscall like FreeBSD, there is
no way we can support this in a race-free way.
This enables an optimisation in hydra-queue-runner, preventing a
download of a NAR it just uploaded to the cache when reading files
like hydra-build-products.
This enables an optimisation in hydra-queue-runner, preventing a
download of a NAR it just uploaded to the cache when reading files
like hydra-build-products.
For example,
$ NIX_REMOTE=file:///my-cache nix ls-store -lR /nix/store/f4kbgl8shhyy76rkk3nbxr0lz8d2ip7q-binutils-2.23.1
dr-xr-xr-x 0 ./bin
-r-xr-xr-x 30748 ./bin/addr2line
-r-xr-xr-x 66973 ./bin/ar
...
Similarly, "nix ls-nar" lists the contents of a NAR file, "nix
cat-nar" extracts a file from a NAR file, and "nix cat-store" extract
a file from a Nix store.
This allows a RemoteStore object to be used safely from multiple
threads concurrently. It will make multiple daemon connections if
necessary.
Note: pool.hh and sync.hh have been copied from the Hydra source tree.
This is currently only used by the Hydra queue runner rework, but like
eff5021eaa it presumably will be useful
for the C++ rewrite of nix-push and
download-from-binary-cache. (@shlevy)
Also, move a few free-standing functions into StoreAPI and Derivation.
Also, introduce a non-nullable smart pointer, ref<T>, which is just a
wrapper around std::shared_ptr ensuring that the pointer is never
null. (For reference-counted values, this is better than passing a
"T&", because the latter doesn't maintain the refcount. Usually, the
caller will have a shared_ptr keeping the value alive, but that's not
always the case, e.g., when passing a reference to a std::thread via
std::bind.)
For example,
$ nix-build --hash -A nix-repl.src
will build the fixed-output derivation nix-repl.src (a fetchFromGitHub
call), but instead of *verifying* the hash given in the Nix
expression, it prints out the resulting hash, and then moves the
result to its content-addressed location in the Nix store. E.g
build produced path ‘/nix/store/504a4k6zi69dq0yjc0bm12pa65bccxam-nix-repl-8a2f5f0607540ffe56b56d52db544373e1efb980-src’ with sha256 hash ‘0cjablz01i0g9smnavhf86imwx1f9mnh5flax75i615ml71gsr88’
The goal of this is to make all nix-prefetch-* scripts unnecessary: we
can just let Nix run the real thing (i.e., the corresponding fetch*
derivation).
Another example:
$ nix-build --hash -E 'with import <nixpkgs> {}; fetchgit { url = "https://github.com/NixOS/nix.git"; sha256 = "ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff"; }'
...
git revision is 9e7c1a4bbd
...
build produced path ‘/nix/store/gmsnh9i7x4mb7pyd2ns7n3c9l90jfsi1-nix’ with sha256 hash ‘1188xb621diw89n25rifqg9lxnzpz7nj5bfh4i1y3dnis0dmc0zp’
(Having to specify a fake sha256 hash is a bit annoying...)
Previously files in the Nix store were owned by root or by nixbld,
depending on whether they were created by a substituter or by a
builder. This doesn't matter much, but causes spurious diffoscope
differences. So use root everywhere.
E.g.
$ nix-build pkgs/stdenv/linux/ -A stage1.pkgs.perl --check
nix-store: src/libstore/build.cc:1323: void nix::DerivationGoal::tryToBuild(): Assertion `buildMode != bmCheck || validPaths.size() == drv->outputs.size()' failed.
when perl.out exists but perl.man doesn't. The fix is to only check
the outputs that exist. Note that "nix-build -A stage1.pkgs.all
--check" will still give a (proper) error in this case.
This was observed in the deb_debian7x86_64 build:
http://hydra.nixos.org/build/29973215
Calling c_str() on a temporary should be fine because the temporary
shouldn't be destroyed until after the execl() call, but who knows...
If repair found a corrupted/missing path that depended on a
multiple-output derivation, and some of the outputs of the latter were
not present, it failed with a message like
error: path ‘/nix/store/cnfn9d5fjys1y93cz9shld2xwaibd7nn-bash-4.3-p42-doc’ is not valid
Also show types when nix cannot compare values of different types.
This is also more consistent since types are already shown when comparing values of the same not comparable type.
For example, "${{ foo = "bar"; __toString = x: x.foo; }}" evaluates
to "bar".
With this, we can delay calling functions like mkDerivation,
buildPythonPackage, etc. until we actually need a derivation, enabling
overrides and other modifications to happen by simple attribute set
update.
This makes Darwin consistent with Linux: Nix expressions can't break
out of the sandbox unless relaxed sandbox mode is enabled.
For the normal sandbox mode this will require fixing #759 however.
Otherwise, since the call to write a "d" character to the lock file
can fail with ENOSPC, we can get an unhandled exception resulting in a
call to terminate().
Caused by 8063fc497a. If tmpDir !=
tmpDirInSandbox (typically when there are multiple concurrent builds
with the same name), the *Path attribute would not point to an
existing file. This caused Nixpkgs' writeTextFile to write an empty
file. In particular this showed up as hanging VM builds (because it
would run an empty run-nixos-vm script and then wait for it to finish
booting).
This is arguably nitpicky, but I think this new formulation is even
clearer. My thinking is that it's easier to comprehend when the
calculated hash value is displayed close to the output path. (I think it
is somewhat similar to eliminating double negatives in logic
statements.)
The formulation is inspired / copied from the OpenEmbedded build tool,
bitbake.
Rather than using $<host-TMPDIR>/nix-build-<drvname>-<number>, the
temporary directory is now always /tmp/nix-build-<drvname>-0. This
improves bitwise-exact reproducibility for builds that store $TMPDIR
in their build output. (Of course, those should still be fixed...)
edolstra:
“…since callers of readDirectory have to handle the possibility of
DT_UNKNOWN anyway, and we don't want to do a stat call for every
directory entry unless it's really needed.”
The nixpkgs manual prescribes the use of values from stdenv.lib.licenses
for the meta.license attribute. Those values are attribute sets and
currently skipped when running nix-env with '--xml --meta'. This has the
consequence that also nixpkgs-lint will report missing licenses.
With this commit nix-env with '--xml --meta' will print all attributes
of an attribute set that are of type tString. For example the output for
the package nixpkgs.hello is
<meta name="license" type="strings">
<string type="url" value="http://spdx.org/licenses/GPL-3.0+" />
<string type="shortName" value="gpl3Plus" />
<string type="fullName" value="GNU General Public License v3.0 or later" />
<string type="spdxId" value="GPL-3.0+" />
</meta>
This commit fixes nixpkgs-lint, too.
Temporarily allow derivations to describe their full sandbox profile.
This will be eventually scaled back to a more secure setup, see the
discussion at #695
Nix reports a hash mismatch saying:
output path ‘foo’ should have sha256 hash ‘abc’, instead has ‘xyz’
That message is slightly ambiguous and some people read that statement
to mean the exact opposite of what it is supposed to mean. After this
patch, the message will be:
Nix expects output path ‘foo’ to have sha256 hash ‘abc’, instead it has ‘xyz’
- rename options but leav old names as lower-priority aliases,
also "-dirs" -> "-paths" to get closer to the meaning
- update docs to reflect the new names (old aliases are not documented),
including a new file with release notes
- tests need an update after corresponding changes to nixpkgs
- __noChroot is left as it is (after discussion on the PR)
Passing "--option build-repeat <N>" will cause every build to be
repeated N times. If the build output differs between any round, the
build is rejected, and the output paths are not registered as
valid. This is primarily useful to verify build determinism. (We
already had a --check option to repeat a previously succeeded
build. However, with --check, non-deterministic builds are registered
in the DB. Preventing that is useful for Hydra to ensure that
non-deterministic builds don't end up getting published at all.)
This reverts commit 79ca503332. Ouch,
never noticed this. We definitely don't want to allow builds to have
arbitrary access to /bin and /usr/bin, because then they can (for
instance) bring in a bunch of setuid programs. Also, we shouldn't be
encouraging the use of impurities in the default configuration.
If automatic store optimisation is enabled, and a hard-linked file in
the store gets corrupted, then the corresponding .links entry will
also be corrupted. In that case, trying to repair with --repair or
--repair-path won't work, because the new "good" file will be replaced
by a hard link to the corrupted file. We can catch most of these cases
by doing a sanity-check on the file sizes.
> I made this change for two reasons:
> 1. Darwin's locale data doesn't appear to be open source
> 2. Privileged processes will always use /usr/share/locale regardless of environment variables
This removes the need to have multiple downloads in the stdenv
bootstrap process (like a separate busybox binary for Linux, or
curl/mkdir/sh/bzip2 for Darwin). Now all those files can be combined
into a single NAR.
This makes it consistent with the Nixpkgs fetchurl and makes it work
in chroots. We don't need verification because the hash of the result
is checked anyway.
The stack allocated for the builder was way too small (32 KB). This is
sufficient for normal derivations, because they just do some setup and
then exec() the actual builder. But for the fetchurl builtin
derivation it's not enough. Also, allocating the stack on the caller's
stack was fishy business.
This allows overriding the name component of the resulting Nix store
path, which is necessary if the base name of the URI contains
"illegal" characters.
This is in particular useful for fetchFromGitHub et al., ensuring that
the store path produced by nix-prefetch-url corresponds to what those
functions expect.
This allows nix-prefetch-url to prefetch the output of fetchzip and
its wrappers (like fetchFromGitHub). For example:
$ nix-prefetch-url --unpack https://github.com/NixOS/patchelf/archive/0.8.tar.gz
or from a Nix expression:
$ nix-prefetch-url -A nix-repl.src
In the latter case, --unpack can be omitted because nix-repl.src is a
fetchFromGitHub derivation and thus has "outputHashMode" set to
"recursive".
Some evidence that defining it to be 0 is right:
* OS X headers define it to be 0.
* Other code uses 0 instead of SOL_LOCAL to check for peer credentials
(e.g. FreeBSD's implementation of getpeereid).
Previously, pkg-config was already queried for libsqlite3's and
libcurl's link flags. However they were not used, but hardcoded
instead. This commit replaces the hardcoded LDFLAGS by the ones
provided by pkg-config in a similar pattern as already used for
libsodium.
For example,
$ nix-prefetch-url -A hello.src
will prefetch the file specified by the fetchurl call in the attribute
‘hello.src’ from the Nix expression in the current directory. This
differs from ‘nix-build -A hello.src’ in that it doesn't verify the
hash.
You can also specify a path to the Nix expression:
$ nix-prefetch-url ~/Dev/nixpkgs -A hello.src
List elements (typically used in ‘patches’ attributes) also work:
$ nix-prefetch-url -A portmidi.patches.0
It was strange to show "upgrading" when the version was getting lower.
This is left on "upgrading" when the versions are the same,
as I can't see any better wording.
Until now, if one explicitly installed a low-priority version,
nix-env --upgrade would downgrade it by default and even with --leq.
Let's never accept an upgrade with version not matching the upgradeType.
Additionally, let's never decrease the priority of an installed package;
you can use --install to force that.
Also refactor to use variable bestVersion instead of bestName,
as only version was used from it.
Fixes https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/9504.
Note that this means we may have a non-functional /bin/sh in the
chroot while rebuilding Bash or one of its dependencies. Ideally those
packages don't rely on /bin/sh though.
The value pointers of lists with 1 or 2 elements are now stored in the
list value itself. In particular, this makes the "concatMap (x: if
cond then [(f x)] else [])" idiom cheaper.
This ensures that 1) the derivation doesn't change when Nix changes;
2) the derivation closure doesn't contain Nix and its dependencies; 3)
we don't have to rely on ugly chroot hacks.
In particular, hydra-queue-runner can now distinguish between remote
build / substitution / already-valid. For instance, if a path already
existed on the remote side, we don't want to store a log file.
Previously, to build a derivation remotely, we had to copy the entire
closure of the .drv file to the remote machine, even though we only
need the top-level derivation. This is very wasteful: the closure can
contain thousands of store paths, and in some Hydra use cases, include
source paths that are very large (e.g. Git/Mercurial checkouts).
So now there is a new operation, StoreAPI::buildDerivation(), that
performs a build from an in-memory representation of a derivation
(BasicDerivation) rather than from a on-disk .drv file. The only files
that need to be in the Nix store are the sources of the derivation
(drv.inputSrcs), and the needed output paths of the dependencies (as
described by drv.inputDrvs). "nix-store --serve" exposes this
interface.
Note that this is a privileged operation, because you can construct a
derivation that builds any store path whatsoever. Fixing this will
require changing the hashing scheme (i.e., the output paths should be
computed from the other fields in BasicDerivation, allowing them to be
verified without access to other derivations). However, this would be
quite nice because it would allow .drv-free building (e.g. "nix-env
-i" wouldn't have to write any .drv files to disk).
Fixes#173.
This modification moves Attr and Bindings structures into their own header
file which is dedicated to the attribute set representation. The goal of to
isolate pieces of code which are related to the attribute set
representation. Thus future modifications of the attribute set
representation will only have to modify these files, and not every other
file across the evaluator.
The following patch is an attempt to address this bug (see
<http://bugs.gnu.org/18994>) by preserving the supplementary groups of
build users in the build environment.
In practice, I would expect that supplementary groups would contain only
one or two groups: the build users group, and possibly the “kvm” group.
[Changed &at(0) to data() and removed tabs - Eelco]
Not substituting builds with "preferLocalBuild = true" was a bad idea,
because it didn't take the cost of dependencies into account. For
instance, if we can't substitute a fetchgit call, then we have to
download/build git and all its dependencies.
Partially reverts 5558652709 and adds a
new derivation attribute "allowSubstitutes" to specify whether a
derivation may be substituted.
Nixpkgs' writeTextAsFile does this:
mv "$textPath" "$n"
Since $textPath was owned by root, if $textPath is on the same
filesystem as $n, $n will be owned as root. As a result, the build
result was rejected as having suspicious ownership.
http://hydra.nixos.org/build/22836807
Hello!
The patch below adds a ‘verifyStore’ RPC with the same signature as the
current LocalStore::verifyStore method.
Thanks,
Ludo’.
>From aef46c03ca77eb6344f4892672eb6d9d06432041 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =?UTF-8?q?Ludovic=20Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@gnu.org>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 23:17:10 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Add a 'verifyStore' remote procedure call.
This relaxes restricted mode to allow access to anything in the
store. In the future, it would be better to allow access to only paths
that have been constructed in the current evaluation (so a hard-coded
/nix/store/blabla in a Nix expression would still be
rejected). However, note that reading /nix/store itself is still
rejected, so you can't use this so get access to things you don't know
about.
The call to nix-env expects a string which represents how old the
derivations are or just "old" which means any generations other than
the current one in use. Currently nix-collect-garbage passes an empty
string to nix-env when using the -d option. This patch corrects the call
to nix-env such that it follows the old behavior.
This hook can be used to set system-specific per-derivation build
settings that don't fit into the derivation model and are too complex or
volatile to be hard-coded into nix. Currently, the pre-build hook can
only add chroot dirs/files through the interface, but it also has full
access to the chroot root.
The specific use case for this is systems where the operating system ABI
is more complex than just the kernel-support system calls. For example,
on OS X there is a set of system-provided frameworks that can reliably
be accessed by any program linked to them, no matter the version the
program is running on. Unfortunately, those frameworks do not
necessarily live in the same locations on each version of OS X, nor do
their dependencies, and thus nix needs to know the specific version of
OS X currently running in order to make those frameworks available. The
pre-build hook is a perfect mechanism for doing just that.
This hook can be used to set system specific per-derivation build
settings that don't fit into the derivation model and are too complex or
volatile to be hard-coded into nix. Currently, the pre-build hook can
only add chroot dirs/files.
The specific use case for this is systems where the operating system ABI
is more complex than just the kernel-supported system calls. For
example, on OS X there is a set of system-provided frameworks that can
reliably be accessed by any program linked to them, no matter the
version the program is running on. Unfortunately, those frameworks do
not necessarily live in the same locations on each version of OS X, nor
do their dependencies, and thus nix needs to know the specific version
of OS X currently running in order to make those frameworks available.
The pre-build hook is a perfect mechanism for doing just that.
This is because we don't want to do HTTP requests on every evaluation,
even though we can prevent a full redownload via the cached ETag. The
default is one hour.
This was causing NixOS VM tests to fail mysteriously since
5ce50cd99e. Nscd could (sometimes) no
longer read /etc/hosts:
open("/etc/hosts", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
Probably there was some wacky interaction between the guest kernel and
the 9pfs implementation in QEMU.
This function downloads and unpacks the given URL at evaluation
time. This is primarily intended to make it easier to deal with Nix
expressions that have external dependencies. For instance, to fetch
Nixpkgs 14.12:
with import (fetchTarball https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs-channels/archive/nixos-14.12.tar.gz) {};
Or to fetch a specific revision:
with import (fetchTarball 2766a4b44e.tar.gz) {};
This patch also adds a ‘fetchurl’ builtin that downloads but doesn't
unpack its argument. Not sure if it's useful though.
Thus, for example, to get /bin/sh in a chroot, you only need to
specify /bin/sh=${pkgs.bash}/bin/sh in build-chroot-dirs. The
dependencies of sh will be added automatically.
This doesn't work anymore if the "strict" chroot mode is
enabled. Instead, add Nix's store path as a dependency. This ensures
that its closure is present in the chroot.
I'm seeing hangs in Glibc's setxid_mark_thread() again. This is
probably because the use of an intermediate process to make clone()
safe from a multi-threaded program (see
524f89f139) is defeated by the use of
vfork(), since the intermediate process will have a copy of Glibc's
threading data structures due to the vfork(). So use a regular fork()
again.
If ‘build-use-chroot’ is set to ‘true’, fixed-output derivations are
now also chrooted. However, unlike normal derivations, they don't get
a private network namespace, so they can still access the
network. Also, the use of the ‘__noChroot’ derivation attribute is
no longer allowed.
Setting ‘build-use-chroot’ to ‘relaxed’ gives the old behaviour.
If ‘--option restrict-eval true’ is given, the evaluator will throw an
exception if an attempt is made to access any file outside of the Nix
search path. This is primarily intended for Hydra, where we don't want
people doing ‘builtins.readFile ~/.ssh/id_dsa’ or stuff like that.
chroot only changes the process root directory, not the mount namespace root
directory, and it is well-known that any process with chroot capability can
break out of a chroot "jail". By using pivot_root as well, and unmounting the
original mount namespace root directory, breaking out becomes impossible.
Non-root processes typically have no ability to use chroot() anyway, but they
can gain that capability through the use of clone() or unshare(). For security
reasons, these syscalls are limited in functionality when used inside a normal
chroot environment. Using pivot_root() this way does allow those syscalls to be
put to their full use.
Sodium's Ed25519 signatures are much shorter than OpenSSL's RSA
signatures. Public keys are also much shorter, so they're now
specified directly in the nix.conf option ‘binary-cache-public-keys’.
The new command ‘nix-store --generate-binary-cache-key’ generates and
prints a public and secret key.
The DT_UNKNOWN fallback code was getting the type of the wrong path,
causing readDir to report "directory" as the type of every file.
Reported by deepfire on IRC.
I.e., not readable to the nixbld group. This improves purity a bit for
non-chroot builds, because it prevents a builder from enumerating
store paths (i.e. it can only access paths it knows about).
Scott Olson